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Oh, Santana. Fuck. The last ten minutes of that episode were just heart-breaking. Also, so much for that brief period of feeling sympathetic towards Finn!

Something that's bothering me, besides the obvious: the writing this week made Santana even nastier than usual. Yes, she's always cruel, but she was particularly mean, and it was almost non-stop. And I felt like it came across as a passive way to downplay Finn's cruelty in outing her publicly. Not, necessarily, that the writing was actually implying Santana deserved to be outed, but that the show was covering for Finn to keep him from being an out-and-out (no pun intended) bad guy. Oh, sure, he did something really shitty, but he only did it because she provoked him so much!

And I don't buy for a second that Finn didn't understand that there was some risk involved in having that conversation out in the middle of the hallway, despite all that talk about "everyone knows" Santana's in love with Brittany. No, not everyone knows Santana's in love with Brittany; what's common knowledge, or at least somewhat common, is that Brittany and Santana have a sexual relationship, which is completely different. He fired that at her like a weapon, something designed to hurt her and make her stop attacking him, and whether or not he understood the full impact of what he was doing, Finn knew it was devastating. And the fact that he dared to take away from Santana what she absolutely deserves - the right to come out on her own terms, in a time and place that makes her feel safe - is fucking infuriating.

Glee is at its best, imo, when it uses music to heighten the impact of character-driven storylines (it's also at its best when it does absolutely ridiculous, embarrassing and hilarious shit like "Hot for Teacher," but that's another topic). "Rumor Has It/Someone Like You" is a pretty definitive example of what Glee can do when it hits on all targets, and is hands-down the best number they've done this season. Maybe top five overall, in my book. The Troubletones were flawless, the arrangement was wonderful, and Naya Rivera acted the shit out of that number. It was her body language that got to me, in particular; the way she moved, like she was trying to remember her choreography but couldn't quite focus. For some reason, that's what hit me the hardest.

I loved that Will and Sue actually dropped their petty bickering bullshit and acted like adults invested in taking care of one of their students. (Burt, too, but he's generally been good that way, so it didn't feel like something out of the ordinary for him.) And I especially loved that Sue didn't give a shit about the fact that the point of the commercial was to slander her, when everything in Sue's life is always, always about her. Actually, this might be the first time in the history of the show that Sue's shown real, heartfelt sympathy towards someone's pain when she doesn't identify with that pain herself (every time she's been nice to Kurt, he's been going through something that pings her own issues - religious belief, bullying, etc). Too bad I can't enjoy it fully or take it seriously because next week she'll be back to being a sociopath! I can't stand what they've done to Sue - it bothers me like crazy that this once-great character has become an unrecognizable, unfunny wreck of her former self - but that "I'm so sorry" was a sad little flag of interesting potential that, of course, will be quickly forgotten. (Serious question: is Ian Brennan even writing Sue anymore? The rhythm of her dialogue, quality aside, is completely different.)

There's so much to talk about, but I'm going to be brief(er) with the rest of it because I've already babbled on enough:

- The Puck/Shelby/Quinn storyline doesn't seem to be going anywhere interesting, and I say that as someone who was really into the idea of Puck/Shelby, and as someone wants to see another character take more than an observational interest in Quinn's massive, massive issues. Also, is Puck growing a mane?

- The return of Pedowill during HFT! He was just so excited they were singing that number, you guys. So excited. Actually, I kind of loved Will this week, that line about "they didn't leave glee club because of you" from Shelby aside. Earnest, dorky Will is my third favorite Will, after Drunk!Will and Pedowill. Yes, I've thought about it enough to have an order of Will preferences. Shut up.

- Blaine and Kurt supporting Rory in different ways made my heart happy. Two thumbs up for Blaine, in particular, for being such a stand-up dude and encouraging Rory to take the solo when Finn was being extra douchy.

- What was that line from Shelby about how there'd be a lot of people being jealous of Rachel, but she (Shelby) would be "the only one" cheering her on? Did I hear that right? If so, that was cold, unfair, and inaccurate. Also, interesting that Rachel didn't ask Will to write her the letter - although I'm guessing that Shelby's reputation far outweighs anything Will could bring to the table.

- Brittany singing "stop the violence" to Santana, and Santana's reluctant smile? That was really, really awesome, and kind of intimate, actually, in a sweet way.

- Mercedes was ON FIRE this week. She's so confident now - look at all the initiative she's taking, now that she feels like she's valued! ♥___♥

- Figgins's school assembly speeches will never not be one of my favorite things about this show.

- "You're skinny like all the crops failed on your family's farm."

Date: 2011-11-16 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitsune13.livejournal.com
Santaaaaana I have ALL THE FEELINGS. You perfectly articulated everything I felt/thought/EMOTED AT THE SCREEN. ♥ And yeah, they really did pump up her nastiness to make it seem like Finn's outing her was ~provoked, or some such shit. I loved every second of her this episode tho, especially her aria of Finn-hate in the hallway.

My husband and I rewound Brittany and Santana's "stop the violence' exchange like ten times, until we were practically sobbing from cute.

I loved everything Puck did, but I think I was hypnotized by the mullethawk. Also, his stupid FACE during HFT.

OMG, I MISSED YOU PEDOWILL. ♥ ♥ ♥ And Rachel! Saying HFT was inappropriate! Like she was testing him! And he just totally embraces it! They'll be making out in the janitor's closet any day now. /delusional

Rory is growing on me! And I want more of this awesome confident Mercedes, it's glorious. She and Rachel can team up to lead ND, and none for Finn Hudson. Also, Sugar can stay and do hilarious things in the background and make faces, because she is a riot.

Date: 2011-11-16 03:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] milk-and-glass.livejournal.com
OMG, I MISSED YOU PEDOWILL. ♥ ♥ ♥ And Rachel! Saying HFT was inappropriate! Like she was testing him! And he just totally embraces it! They'll be making out in the janitor's closet any day now. /delusional

Your words to RIB's ears!!! Rachel/Will ♥ ♥ ♥

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Date: 2011-11-16 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
That mullhawk is truly a thing of horrific beauty. I couldn't stop staring at it the entire episode. Like Alfalfa from The Little Rascals joined the 80s punk scene, or something.

There was some really glorious Will/Rachel interaction this episode! Rachel's "inappropriate" remark, and Will shouting at the hockey player hecklers when Rachel was trying to give her speech for the debate. It's pretty rare we get to see him stick up for her so overtly, so I was eating it up with a spoon.

I really want to see Rory develop a little more beyond the Irish stereotyping, because he's adorable and he totally won my heart last week with his attempts to enunciate during WSS. Mercedes and Sugar are both flawless, and I was hearteying over both of them the entire episode. That little move Sugar made to go get wet towels when Santana was insulting Finn? Just perfect. I love how much Sugar wants to be liked and appreciated, despite (or maybe because of) her prickly offensiveness.

Date: 2011-11-16 07:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burn-to-emerge.livejournal.com
Something that's bothering me, besides the obvious: the writing this week made Santana even nastier than usual. Yes, she's always cruel, but she was particularly mean, and it was almost non-stop. And I felt like it came across as a passive way to downplay Finn's cruelty in outing her publicly. Not, necessarily, that the writing was actually implying Santana deserved to be outed, but that the show was covering for Finn to keep him from being an out-and-out (no pun intended) bad guy. Oh, sure, he did something really shitty, but he only did it because she provoked him so much!

Yesssss, thank you. In this episode, Kurt was clearly a stand-in for the writers, preaching about the ways negativity hurts people, and is the wrong way to go. Santana being over the top cruel towards Finn, and even Sue- as the said herself- being so negative in her campaign approach that her opponent struck back the same way- were ways to absolve Finn of the blame. He only said that because Santana was mean first! And Santana was only outed because of how negative Sue is! Not that I disagree with the point about Sue at all, as heavyhanded as it was, but it's so frustrating that I'm sure Glee did all this so that Finn wouldn't look so bad in comparison.

- Mercedes was ON FIRE this week. She's so confident now - look at all the initiative she's taking, now that she feels like she's valued! ♥___♥

Mercedes has been shining since she joined the Troubletones. I'm probably not supposed to root for more kids transferring from ND, right? Or, when they band back together, Mercedes replacing Finn as the co-leader?

Date: 2011-11-16 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sceptick.livejournal.com
sorry sorry i don't mean to cut in and i agree 100% with the meat of your post but i've got to say that now all I want is Mercedes and Rachel as co-captains who balance each other out and then sometimes kiss and stuff *__________*

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Date: 2011-11-16 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
Ugh, I just really, really hate how the writing always seems to hold back on vilifying Finn, even as it makes him do and say some really heinous, unforgivable things - I keep having flashbacks to that whole Theatricality debacle and the retroactive white-washing the show did during Duets. Sue's speech (and omg, yes, that was ridiculously heavy-handed) was all about acknowledging the part she played in creating an environment in which something like outing a minor for political purposes was on the table, as far as mudslinging goes. And thinking about it now in light of your comment, I'm pretty sure we were supposed to see that as a clear parallel to Santana's nastiness "inviting" Finn's outing, and that just makes me nauseous. Because I don't care how awful Santana was being - and she was saying some really hurtful, terrible things - there is literally no excuse for what Finn did.

I was so struck by how much Mercedes glowed, and how happy she seemed. And Mercedes as leader of ND would be all I've ever wanted, tbh. Actually, my ~dream (white-texting this just in case you're unspoiled) would be for Sam to join the Troubletones once he returns to McKinley.

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Date: 2011-11-16 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sceptick.livejournal.com
Okay I have a lot of thoughts and no organisational skills so I'm really just gonna spew them all over here:

- I breathed a sigh of relief when Shelby said that line about how Quinn giving birth to Beth doesn't make her Beth's mother. And then she ruined it with the line about Quinn's body and her well-being not being as important as her baby's. Also the continued view that being goth/punk/whatever Quinn was means someone is 'lost'. Yes, it's true for Quinn, but no generalisations, please.

- I know you read my post about Finn, and I'd like to hear your thoughts on that whole shebang. Another thing occurred to me, too: Finn says everyone knows, but he outed Santana in front of Rory. The exchange student who obviously wouldn't know. So obviously he didn't actually give a fuck about whether it was overheard or not, imo. I am so done with Finn rn. Goodbye, F/K wip!

- I definitely hear you about Santana being nastier. Particularly since -- it doesn't make sense, narratively! She's seeing Brittany, she's center stage with the trouble tones, shouldn't she be happy? Shouldn't she be easing up? I suppose it could be nerves/stress over the act of rebellion that is dating Brittany, even on the sly, that's making her act out more than usual. Still, it came across as the writers trying to give Finn some measure of justification to me, too.

- Speaking of Santana, jfc. All of the feelings. I can't imagine how terrifying that must be, how powerless that must make her feel. I actually don't have much to say on this topic because I literally cannot articulate how much I feel for her, and how much reactions to this episode disturb me. (Sidenote: I am thisclose to writing the worst kind of id fic, wherein Santana gets understanding and shit and Kurt stands up for her and idek. I just know that RIB+ are gonna fuck this up and make Finn look like the hero and any shit I write will be better than that, i stg.)

- The pedo!will was fantastic ♥_______♥

- Sue's writing just continues pissing me off, ugh. She had so much potential, and they never went anywhere with it. I was thinking her dialogue sounded different, too; not as sharp, and not as, idk, fresh? I wonder if you're right about a different writer handling that now.

- MERCEDES MERCEDES MERCEDES AHHHH MY BB ♥ oh my god I was so pleased with her stepping up and taking the lead and and and i just love her a lot okay. It legit makes me teary to think of how far she's come and how strong she's being. Also, how hot was she in SLY/RHI?

Date: 2011-11-16 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
I'm still trying to figure out why I'm increasingly really uncomfortable with this Shelby/Quinn/Puck storyline, but I am glad Shelby's actually being firm on creating some boundaries for Quinn - and, more importantly, for Beth. It just seems like a terrible, terrible idea on Shelby's part to keep letting Puck into Beth's life while Quinn's a part of Puck's life, because it's only going to lead to really messy, hurtful and potentially dangerous situations.

Agreed with everything in your Finn post, especially that there's no excuse for what he did, despite fandom's really troubling and upsetting need to somehow defend him (I just can't wrap my mind around some of the Finn stanning I've seen since the episode). He knows better. He absolutely knows better. He saw his brother get attacked and terrorized in the hallways for being open, and he has the nerve to tell Santana she's a coward because she's not risking emotional and physical danger? REALLY? Pretty much the only thing I can say in Finn's defense is that I don't believe he was thinking about the full implications of what he was doing - I can't imagine that the thought process going on in his head at that point was literally "I'm going to out Santana because I want to actually endanger her life" - but that in no way excuses any of it. Because, when it comes down to it, Finn's outburst was motivated by a desire to hurt Santana as badly as she'd hurt him, and what's massively, massively fucked up about that is how off the power imbalance is there. Because absolutely nothing Santana could say to, or about Finn, would put him in a position where his life was threatened. (Can you tell I have a ton of feelings about this? Because I do.)

Completely understand the impulse to write id fic. I don't know what I want to see more right now, fic where the Troubletones comfort and rally around Santana, or fic where New Directions tears into Finn for what he did.

I've been listening for it now actively for a few episodes, and I swear Sue's dialogue is completely different. She's missing a lot of the verbal tics she's always had, and the brilliance of Ian's writing, for Sue, always relied on simultaneously unexpected and accurate readings of other characters. That's almost completely gone.

MERCEDES OMG. I may have teared up a bit when she got elected president, ngl. Also, SUPREMELY hot.

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Date: 2011-11-16 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlestclouds.livejournal.com
Totally agree with everything here.

This episode gave me so many feelings and I don't know what to do with them all.

Date: 2011-11-16 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
I'm still processing feelings, too. I'm glad we have a week off; I think I need it!

Date: 2011-11-16 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] biruuu.livejournal.com
the writing this week made Santana even nastier than usual

Exactly. It makes me so uncomfortable because it almost feels like on some level, the writers want the audience to... what? Understand why Finn retaliated? Sympathize with his actions? Ugh. And they do it all the time, too. Instead of letting things happen organically and trusting that the audience will understand that things aren't always black or white, they create these contrived situations and then turn the characters into exaggerated versions of themselves (and not even that in some cases; sometimes they just go full on OOC) to fit the plot's absurd demands. It's hard to sit down and enjoy an episode of this show when most of the time, you can practically feel RIB pulling the strings behind the scenes.

I agree with pretty much everything else you said, too. I had only seen (hundreds and hundreds of, lol) .gifs of the Adele mashup before the episode and ngl, seeing the actual performance after what had happened right before it had me this close to tearing up. Naya killed it with her body language. The way she kept looking down, and those tiny moments of seeking out Brittany, as if to reassure herself... it felt so real, in a way that Glee almost never does. I also really loved Blaine being the bigger person and not rising to Finn's bait, and the horrifying direction the Puck/Shelby/Quinn storyline is going in has me all DDD: because, while I honestly thought it was interesting that they were going to explore it at first, I don't think the writers care enough about these particular characters to take the time to give their story a decent resolution. Quinn in particular would need hours dedicated to dealing with all of her issues, not episode after episode of increasingly disturbing behavior.

I actually liked that Shelby/Rachel scene, maybe for the first time. Even though the continued lack of any mention of Rachel's parents whenever she's around carries with it all kinds of unfortunate implications, I felt like this time it was mostly about Rachel asking national championship choir coach Shelby for help, not mom Shelby. And I did love finding out that she used to be a camp counselor for adopted teens :')

Date: 2011-11-16 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
Instead of letting things happen organically and trusting that the audience will understand that things aren't always black or white, they create these contrived situations and then turn the characters into exaggerated versions of themselves (and not even that in some cases; sometimes they just go full on OOC) to fit the plot's absurd demands.

Exactly. It's one of the major reasons why Glee is just Not A Good Show, when you get down to it; as fun/effective/moving as it can be a lot of the time, the characterization always serves the plot, not the other way around. They've done this with Finn before, too; this whole Santana thing just feels like a rehash of the "Kurt was asking for it by pushing me too much" justification from "Theatricality." And what kills me is that I don't think our reaction is supposed to be "What the fuck is wrong with you that you didn't learn your lesson last time, Finn?!" but "Oh, shit, Finn, you shouldn't have done that but you were provoked, so..."

The Adele mashup was just perfect. The other thing I loved, and forgot to mention, was the look on Brittany's face - usually Heather doesn't hit the right notes when it comes to serious scenes, imo, but her expression hurt my heart. She looked so, so sad and worried.

I felt like this time it was mostly about Rachel asking national championship choir coach Shelby for help, not mom Shelby.

Agreed! I really did like that part of it, and I liked that Shelby was giving her some validation. That line just stuck out for me as unnecessary and hurtful, even though Rachel didn't really seem to react.

Date: 2011-11-16 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacebetwixt.livejournal.com
I don't usually comment, but I just thought I'd say hi and let you know that there's another person out there reading your thoughts on Glee episodes. I mostly reside in the Kurt/Blaine fandom, but I try to venture out pretty often because those Kurt/Blaine fangirls can be especially crazy.

I'm rather indifferent to the Quinn-trying-to-get-back-her-baby storyline, but I hope someone actually tries to help Quinn. There is something seriously wrong with her mental health, and for once I think the writers might actually deal with it instead of letting her have some epiphany moment only to resort back to the same behavior two episodes later. She needs some serious psychiatric help, and hopefully someone realizes this.

Puck was awesome. Any and all Puck voice overs crack me up; I was dying during the Hot For Teacher number. It was so ridiculous and yay for pedo!Will.

I don't know if there's any substance to what I'm about to say, I noticed every time Finn has lashed out at someone this season it has been against a character that's queer (Blaine, Brittany, and now Santana). I don't know if it was the writers' intentions or not, but I think it's kind of interesting.

My favorite scene was the Trouble Tones scene in their choir room. Mercedes was strong, assertive, and supportive all at the same time. The show has a serious lack of girl bonding so it's always nice to see that. The whole scene just felt really natural.

I also really liked how the episode was directed. I like when the camera's slightly shaky rather than than the flowy, circular-like stuff that's been more prominent this season.

Something that's bothering me, besides the obvious: the writing this week made Santana even nastier than usual. Yes, she's always cruel, but she was particularly mean, and it was almost non-stop. And I felt like it came across as a passive way to downplay Finn's cruelty in outing her publicly.

^Agreed^ One of my biggest problems with Glee is that I get mad at the writers instead of the characters.

Rumour Has It/Someone Like You was incredible. I remember reading somewhere that Adele wanted Amber Riley to cover one of her songs, and Mercedes's and Santana's voices were perfect together. Everything about the number was really good. It had great choreography, great vocals, and a purpose within the context of the story. Santana was especially great. You could sense all of her inner turmoil but it wasn't over the top.

Some of Kurt's outfits were really bad this episode.

On the bright side, I think everyone's acting this season has been really good.

(Bleh, sorry for writing such a long comment.)

Date: 2011-11-16 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
Oh, don't apologize for leaving a long comment - I'm so glad you posted your thoughts! Please feel free to comment any time; you're always welcome. Especially since you're a Kurt/Blaine shipper - I don't talk to too many people who really spend a lot of time in that part of fandom, so I'd love to get some different perspectives up in here. ♥

I'm simultaneously really curious and really dreading to see where the show's going with Quinn. I hope you're right that the writers actually treat her problems seriously, and don't have her "solve" them by getting into another relationship - or, worse, by just disappearing them altogether. She needs someone who's actually invested in getting her help, but no one seems to be doing anything other than making cutting observations about how she's going off the deep end.

every time Finn has lashed out at someone this season it has been against a character that's queer (Blaine, Brittany, and now Santana).

That's a really, really interesting observation. I do think it's not much of a stretch to say that Finn's discomfort and outright dislike of Blaine might have more behind it than Finn's feeling threatened about his leadership role. Finn's already shown multiple times that queerness makes him uncomfortable, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's somewhat unsettled by what I'm assuming is Blaine's regular presence in the Hudmel household.

Agreed about the Troubletones scene being great - I loved that the vote for Mercedes didn't become the massive dramatic thing it might've been in Will's choir room.

I remember reading Jane and Chris's tweets when they were filming this episode, and thinking, "What the hell could Kurt be wearing that invites both Princess Leia and Yasser Arafat comparisons?" And I'll be damned if both of those descriptions didn't just fit that outfit perfectly. It might've been worse than that fur thing he wore in New York!

Date: 2011-11-16 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nasimjoon.livejournal.com
Found my way here through [livejournal.com profile] sceptick. Hope it's cool. ♥

Let's take a minute to digest that Finn--Finn, one of the densest ND members--caught on to Santana being a lesbian. I don't know what the writers have been trying to accomplish with him. I think we're supposed to be all sympathetic toward him, but he's been on a rapid decline into douchebaggery since season two. So, Santana was laying it on thick with the insults. What right does that give to out her? Wasn't being more tolerant/accepting of sexuality a lesson Finn was supposed to have learned in season one? He was so flippant about it! "What, everyone at school already knows!" No, Finn. That doesn't make it right.

What frustrates me most is that I'm almost positive it will be played as how wonderful Finn is for helping Santana come to terms with herself, etc. If that's how her story wraps up, I'm going to be really upset with the unfortunate implications there.

Anyway.

The Puck/Shelby/Quinn storyline is...progressing pretty much like I thought it would, unfortunately. I feel like they're more concerned with having Quinn play villain than addressing how all over the place her characterization has been, which is disappointing.

MERCEDES WAS FLAWLESS IN THIS EPISODE. ♥_♥ I've gone from being neutral on her to loving her as a character.

I really just...want Sue to go away. I loved her in S1, but they really don't know what to do with her. Poor Jane.

Date: 2011-11-16 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
Of course it's cool! You're welcome to comment any time - I'm glad you've dropped by. ♥

I don't know what the writers have been trying to accomplish with him. I think we're supposed to be all sympathetic toward him, but he's been on a rapid decline into douchebaggery since season two.

I think, Finn's OTT Blaine-hatred aside, he's actually been less offensive this season - until now, of course. The storyline they've set up for him so far - Finn's angsting and anxiety over what he wants to do with his life, and what he's actually capable of doing with his life, which are two pretty different things - is a really interesting one. Of course, it's much easier to care about that when Finn isn't destroying sympathy by being unequivocally terrible. Which - seriously, what are the writers trying to do with him? What's gained by having a character who we're supposed to see as a good guy do such a despicable thing - and to do it in a way that shows he didn't learn a damn thing from the Kurt debacle nearly two years ago? Because that's not "he's young and he fucked up," it's "he lashed out and hurt someone, and he did it by taking advantage of his own privilege, and it's even worse than what he did to Kurt because it could actually result in endangering Santana's safety." If we're still supposed to feel sympathetic in any way towards Finn - I just don't know.

Hooray, more Mercedes lovers! She's just the best. I've always liked her, but she's grown on me so much this season.

Ugh, I have so many sad feelings about Sue - she was my favorite character for so long, and I stan pretty hard for Jane so I'm still a little attached to Sue because of that - but, yeah. The writing for her is just awful in every way now.

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Date: 2011-11-16 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] milk-and-glass.livejournal.com
OMG, bb Santana. I wanted to hold her forever. Naya is such a damned good actress, and they underuse her shamefully, so I was so glad to see her front and centre this week. I thought the storyline was excellent, and I agree that Finn's insensitivity seemed slightly OOC. He's not normally someone to hurl out secrets in front of hallways of judgey children.

I loved the Rachel/Shelby moment (secret, EVIL ship), but agree that it was weird that Shelby would say that she was "the only one" cheering Rachel on. Um, hello, what happened to Will being Rachel's "biggest, and sometimes only, fan"? That's another one of my ships so I would love to see conflict there about Rachel not feeling supported by Will (for realsies, this time, no drama queen bullshit to get him to bend to one of her wants).

Figgins ♥

PedoWill. Ahhhhhh. This feels like the old days. And MORE RACHEL/WILL PLZ.

Love your writeups, loved this ep ♥

Date: 2011-11-17 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
I really, really loved Naya in this episode - she was incredibly effective, especially in the smaller moments. And even though Finn's actions were very much OTT, in thinking about it I'm not sure how out of character they really were. What he did to Santana isn't far off from what he did to Kurt in "Theatricality" - lashing out in anger at a queer character by using his position of privilege as a weapon.

One of the things that fascinates me the most about the Rachel/Will dynamic is the way he both supports and undermines her - yes, he gives her a ton of solos, and tells her how talented she is, etc, but he can also be really dismissive of her, sometimes to the point of unfair anger (I'm thinking about that duct tape scene in Special Education, especially). Which is why I loved it so much when he yelled at those hecklers to be quiet while she was giving her speech.

I can never get enough Pedowill. Never.

♥ Glad you commented, bb!

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Date: 2011-11-17 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elva-barr.livejournal.com
ugh I have so many feelings

- There's a huge difference between having sex with girls and being a big scary lesbian. Trust me, I've told a lot of girls that no one will really care if ~things ~happen, it totally doesn't make you a scary queer like me or anything. I don't get how Finn doesn't understand the difference, since he's so terribly okay with Santana and Brittany macking on each other, but was not okay with Kurt gaying up his room. Everyone "knowing" Santana is gay and knowing Santana is gay is the difference between "I kissed a girl and I liked it" and "I kissed a girl and I liked it cause you know, I'm a lesbian." uuuugh idek that argument is so dumb I cannot even with my rage ugh

I loved that Will and Sue actually dropped their petty bickering bullshit and acted like adults invested in taking care of one of their students. (Burt, too, but he's generally been good that way, so it didn't feel like something out of the ordinary for him.) And I especially loved that Sue didn't give a shit about the fact that the point of the commercial was to slander her, when everything in Sue's life is always, always about her. Actually, this might be the first time in the history of the show that Sue's shown real, heartfelt sympathy towards someone's pain when she doesn't identify with that pain herself (every time she's been nice to Kurt, he's been going through something that pings her own issues - religious belief, bullying, etc). Too bad I can't enjoy it fully or take it seriously because next week she'll be back to being a sociopath! I can't stand what they've done to Sue - it bothers me like crazy that this once-great character has become an unrecognizable, unfunny wreck of her former self - but that "I'm so sorry" was a sad little flag of interesting potential that, of course, will be quickly forgotten.

+ 1000000000000000000000000000000000000

oh my god you're skinny like all the crops died on your family farm

that was my favorite line, I like Rory

People I liked in this episode in order: Rory, Mercedes, Mercedes, Mercedes, Brittany, Rachel (oh my god Rachel during the dodgeball scene ;___;), Kurt, Shelby and Puck if Shelby shaves Puck's head

Oh also can we talk about the hugely unethical letter writing thing and how Shelby was totally all "oh okay sure"? Excuse me? What?

Date: 2011-11-17 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitsune13.livejournal.com
Oh also can we talk about the hugely unethical letter writing thing and how Shelby was totally all "oh okay sure"? Excuse me? What?

I knoooooooooow. It's her MOM! I mean, I get the reasoning with her being the VA coach and all, but if anyone figures out their relationship the letter and possibly the whole application will be null -- OMG I bet that's how they're going to keep Rachel around next year.

Also, on the topic of Shelby, I loled when she said Mercedes/Santana/Brittany leaving wasn't Will's fault: VA's whole strategy according to Jesse was to build everything around the strongest singer, so of course Shelby wouldn't see Will neglecting everyone else for Rachel as problematic.

Date: 2011-11-18 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
Everyone "knowing" Santana is gay and knowing Santana is gay is the difference between "I kissed a girl and I liked it" and "I kissed a girl and I liked it cause you know, I'm a lesbian."

If I agreed with this any harder I'd probably rupture something. There's been so much discussion about how "Finn didn't realize what he was doing because everyone 'knows' Santana's gay," but we haven't been shown a damn thing to indicate anyone, outside a few of the more perceptive members of ND, understands that her feelings for Brittany aren't just "we fuck because it feels good and there's no one better available," but "I've realized that my primary emotional and sexual connections are with women, Brittany in particular." The former is somewhat acceptable because it doesn't fundamentally disturb patriarchal structures; the latter isn't.

I like Rory, too! But I totally can't ship him with anyone other than in a puppy-dog PG kind of way, because he actually looks somewhat near the neighborhood of fifteen and I already feel like a dirty old lady writing fic about seventeen-year-olds even if the actors are like a year younger than me (or in Cory, Mark and Harry's case, older than me) in real life.

Oh also can we talk about the hugely unethical letter writing thing and how Shelby was totally all "oh okay sure"? Excuse me? What?

Yes! Man, if NYADA does any research at all, Rachel's application is so screwed. I mean, I'm sure it's never coming up again, because Glee, but still.

Date: 2011-11-17 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elva-barr.livejournal.com
OH OH OH AND

"the only one"? Really, Shelby? What about Rachel's dads? You know, the ones you ostensibly know? Ugh I am going to become one of those crazy "let's see Rachel's dads!!!!!!!!!" people but that's okay because I'm pretty sure Lea is too so.

Date: 2011-11-17 07:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitsune13.livejournal.com
YES. Shelby is such an ass. When Will pulled that "your only fan" stuff, he was in the middle of a fight with her about how she was alienating people. But Shelby, who jerked Rachel around and abandoned her emotionally, just busts out NO ONE WILL SUPPORT YOU BUT ME with no freaking buildup or context, and uuuuugh.

Date: 2011-11-18 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
Rachel's dads being absent is getting more and more ridiculous. We've met Mike Chang's parents. Mike Chang, who until this season had like five lines. I know the official line is "we'll never top that picture in the pilot!" but COME ON.

Date: 2011-11-17 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-seaward.livejournal.com
I just rewatched because I couldn't parse my feelings about the Finn thing at first. Now that I've done that, let me just say fuck you, Finn. I can't wait to see where the writers take this, but I don't expect it to be anyplace good. I tumbl'd all over the place about this already, but that about sums it up.

I actually really liked this episode though. I think it makes for interesting conflict, and it was the right balance of LOL GLEE and Glum. I loved all of the musical numbers, which I really do factor into an episode's enjoyability. Those Troubletones, goodness me. I thought I was going to be fine in my second watch through, but I still got tears when Santana started singing the Someone Like You parts.

On the ship front, I just want all the Burt/Sue. And it's been talked about already, but good LORD the Pedowill was out in full force this episode and I was eating it UP because like I don't know if you know this about me but that's sort of a thing that piques my interest.

Sometimes I wish I could just watch Glee in a way that I can only parallel with watching only MOTW episodes of X-Files. Like, just all the lolzy fun parts and none of the Glum.

Puckerman, your hair. NGL I kind of love it. Puckerman, your storyline with Shelby, I should be LOVING it, but it's all sort of meh to me.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, QUINN? I bet that box was filled with hot sauce.

In closing; I DARE people to call Mercedes lazy. I dare them. Call Mercedes lazy again. Do it.

Date: 2011-11-18 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellydash.livejournal.com
I really liked it too! And I loved everything from that scene in Sue's office on. Just, when Santana was running down the hallway and the slap of her feet on the ground morphed into the drumbeat from the beginning of RHI/SLY? CHILLS. Like, I literally have chills now typing this. (And isn't it awesome to tear up at this dumb show when it's actually doing something that's emotionally earned, and not, oh, I don't know, killing off a disabled character to humanize a poorly-written character and get her actress an Emmy nod? Yay, Glee! Sometimes you're not the worst!)

On the ship front, I just want all the Burt/Sue.

You, me and [livejournal.com profile] elva_barr. Between the three of us, we have to make this happen in some form at some point. (Will would watch, ofc.)

THE BOX WAS FILLED WITH HOLLY'S HEAD, DUH.

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